"Hab 3:17 Though the fig tree should not blossom And there be no fruit on the vines, Though the yield of the olive should fail And the fields produce no food, Though the flock should be cut off from the fold And there be no cattle in the stalls,
Now that I've given you the 'party line,' I should tell you that I respectfully disagree with this position. I don't see tithing actually being renewed as a principle under the new covenant. Jesus' affirmation of tithing should be seen on the same level as his affirmation of offering sacrifices (Mt. 5:23-24). That is, if Jesus affirms sacrifices, but we don't see any reason for them to continue to today, I need much more than a passing affirmation of people tithing at the time to see it as being renewed under the new covenant. Further, where one would expect Paul to refer to tithing as a means of gathering a collection to provide for others (1 Cor 16; 2 Cor. 8-9) he doesn't. He talks about regular, sacrificial, and generous giving, but doesn't mention anything about setting aside a tithe. In light of this, therefore, I see that the NT principle seems to be bound up in being a regular, sacrificial, and generous giver. Ten percent seems like a good place to start, and I practice that, but I don't see it as a requirement. For some, giving sacrificially may mean less than 10% (for some 3 or 5% would be a sacrifice because of their income). For others giving sacrificially would mean giving more than 10%.
Overall, the key thing is to give because it all belongs to God anyway. There's no magic formula associated with tithing (those that argue that you won't be blessed if you don't give the 10% have a very low view of God in my perspective - God 'sends his rain on the righteous and the wicked'). If you give 10% of your income great. If you do more than that great! If you can only sacrificially give less than that is great as well."
Hab 3:18 Yet I will exult in the LORD, I will rejoice in the God of my salvation.
Hab 3:19 The Lord GOD is my strength, And He has made my feet like hinds' feet, And makes me walk on my high places. For the choir director, on my stringed instruments. "
Even after this Habakkuk puts his home in God. This is should be our position in hard times. No matter we should have hope in God.
On another note, tithing shouldn't be focused in every Church service which I have seen at most churches I have been to lately. Here is what one of my teachers said(I am going to keep his identity a secret because I didn't ask for permission)
"The Foursquare position is that tithing is 'God's financial plan for the Church.' This is argued on the basis of Deut. 14, Mal. 3, and Luke 11:42/Mt. 23:23.
Now that I've given you the 'party line,' I should tell you that I respectfully disagree with this position. I don't see tithing actually being renewed as a principle under the new covenant. Jesus' affirmation of tithing should be seen on the same level as his affirmation of offering sacrifices (Mt. 5:23-24). That is, if Jesus affirms sacrifices, but we don't see any reason for them to continue to today, I need much more than a passing affirmation of people tithing at the time to see it as being renewed under the new covenant. Further, where one would expect Paul to refer to tithing as a means of gathering a collection to provide for others (1 Cor 16; 2 Cor. 8-9) he doesn't. He talks about regular, sacrificial, and generous giving, but doesn't mention anything about setting aside a tithe. In light of this, therefore, I see that the NT principle seems to be bound up in being a regular, sacrificial, and generous giver. Ten percent seems like a good place to start, and I practice that, but I don't see it as a requirement. For some, giving sacrificially may mean less than 10% (for some 3 or 5% would be a sacrifice because of their income). For others giving sacrificially would mean giving more than 10%.
Overall, the key thing is to give because it all belongs to God anyway. There's no magic formula associated with tithing (those that argue that you won't be blessed if you don't give the 10% have a very low view of God in my perspective - God 'sends his rain on the righteous and the wicked'). If you give 10% of your income great. If you do more than that great! If you can only sacrificially give less than that is great as well."
Stop worrying about you paychecks and you programs and start worrying about people.
Such an awesome perspective on "tithing"!!! Mr. Hidden Identity Professor put my heart towards tithing into well formulated sentences that made my mouth water like nick's mouth waters for those stupid cheesy whale snacks (the off brand of cheezits).
ReplyDelete"Stop worrying about you paychecks and you programs and start worring about people." - The Heretic
Keep bringing the truth scotty mc scotterson.
scott.. you are trying to sleep in the other room, but you're talking to us. anyways. im so happy that you posted this reply from "mystery teacher" (even though i kno :) about tithing because as you know i've been struggling to figure out what's "in" and what's "out" in the realm of tithing. this is MORE than significant for everyone to really think about. i agree completely. this was my perspective only couldn't articulate like "mystery teach!" i want to continue to learn about this. you spelled Israel wrong :) keep em coming!
ReplyDeleteI love this. It changes perspective on giving to stretch it even past ten percent and yet it makes it so comprehensive to say that when you only can afford less then still give sacrificially.
ReplyDeleteA study of giving is not complete without examining who was to be the recipient...and why.
ReplyDeleteFrom beginning to end of the bible God wants us to ....
1) Look after our families (Corban 4th Commandment 1 Tim 5:4&8)
2) Look after the poor where we can...(Deut 15, Gal 2:10, Mat 25)
3) Support the needs of itinerant ministers who are not able to work....and who minister the gospel to us.
Those who want to change these priorities are 'making the commandment of God of none effect'
Usually the goal is to build buildings and create a secure income stream for themselves...and even to build monuments to their own ministries.
Chris